Devel Digest, Vol 132, Issue 2

[Tony Anderson]

Has anyone tested a current fedora release on an XO model? It would seem
reasonable to install Fedora with the gnome desktop independent of Sugar
as a starting point.

Tony

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It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.
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SJG
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It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting XO
laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so they
can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that all
public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially dead
at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.

I would love to see someone get it all upstream so we could just
support them in vanilla Fedora. I can send HW but unfortunately I
don't have much time (or ability) to get these bits upstream.
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:45:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?

I am still running an XO-1 with Gentoo (the gentooxo website sadly died,
but I still use what it provided), but I did not get the newer kernels
to run, so I’m currently missing out on many features (including sound).
I’d be willing to try again if I could prod someones brain when I hit
roadblocks. I’m not experienced in low-level kernel development, but
depending on the problems, perspiration might be able to supplant some
missing experience :-)
Best wishes,
Arne

[Peter Robinson]

Post by Tony Anderson
Has anyone tested a current fedora release on an XO model? It would seem
reasonable to install Fedora with the gnome desktop independent of Sugar as
a starting point.

Why don't you actually read the thread you're replying to. Userspace
will be fine, needs kernel work as they need a newer kernel.

The ARM XOs could actually as of Fedora 26 run with a completely open
userspace with the entaviv kernel if someone does the work for those
devices to boot on a current kernel. In theory the XO 1.75 would just
need a devicetree plus driver upstreaming. The 1.5 might work OOTB but
there are some drivers that were never upstreamed.

Peter

Post by Tony Anderson
Tony

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2. Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels (Peter Robinson)
3. Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
(Arne Babenhauserheide)
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 23:28:14 -0400
Subject: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
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It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.
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SJG
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Subject: Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
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It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting XO
laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so they
can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that all
public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially dead
at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.

I would love to see someone get it all upstream so we could just
support them in vanilla Fedora. I can send HW but unfortunately I
don't have much time (or ability) to get these bits upstream.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:45:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?

I am still running an XO-1 with Gentoo (the gentooxo website sadly died,
but I still use what it provided), but I did not get the newer kernels
to run, so I’m currently missing out on many features (including sound).
I’d be willing to try again if I could prod someones brain when I hit
roadblocks. I’m not experienced in low-level kernel development, but
depending on the problems, perspiration might be able to supplant some
missing experience :-)
Best wishes,
Arne

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[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Peter

Sorry, must be age creeping up. I certainly thought I had read the email.

Yet as I read your text the phrases: 'could actually run', 'would just
need', and 'might work OOTB' suggests the need for some testing.

Generally, the best place to start fixing is to locate the problem as
exactly as possible.

Tony

Post by Peter Robinson

Post by Tony Anderson
Has anyone tested a current fedora release on an XO model? It would seem
reasonable to install Fedora with the gnome desktop independent of Sugar as
a starting point.

Why don't you actually read the thread you're replying to. Userspace
will be fine, needs kernel work as they need a newer kernel.
The ARM XOs could actually as of Fedora 26 run with a completely open
userspace with the entaviv kernel if someone does the work for those
devices to boot on a current kernel. In theory the XO 1.75 would just
need a devicetree plus driver upstreaming. The 1.5 might work OOTB but
there are some drivers that were never upstreamed.
Peter

Post by Tony Anderson
Tony

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1. Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels (Samuel Greenfeld)
2. Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels (Peter Robinson)
3. Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
(Arne Babenhauserheide)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 23:28:14 -0400
Subject: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.
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SJG
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:14:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting XO
laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so they
can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that all
public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially dead
at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.

I would love to see someone get it all upstream so we could just
support them in vanilla Fedora. I can send HW but unfortunately I
don't have much time (or ability) to get these bits upstream.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:45:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?

I am still running an XO-1 with Gentoo (the gentooxo website sadly died,
but I still use what it provided), but I did not get the newer kernels
to run, so I’m currently missing out on many features (including sound).
I’d be willing to try again if I could prod someones brain when I hit
roadblocks. I’m not experienced in low-level kernel development, but
depending on the problems, perspiration might be able to supplant some
missing experience :-)
Best wishes,
Arne

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[Peter Robinson]

Post by Tony Anderson
Hi, Peter
Sorry, must be age creeping up. I certainly thought I had read the email.
Yet as I read your text the phrases: 'could actually run', 'would just
need', and 'might work OOTB' suggests the need for some testing.
Generally, the best place to start fixing is to locate the problem as
exactly as possible.

Yes, but that needs time, and that I don't have as stated in the
thread previously. So was giving general direction for those that
might have the time/interest/ability.

Post by Tony Anderson
Tony

Post by Peter Robinson

Post by Tony Anderson
Has anyone tested a current fedora release on an XO model? It would seem
reasonable to install Fedora with the gnome desktop independent of Sugar as
a starting point.

Why don't you actually read the thread you're replying to. Userspace
will be fine, needs kernel work as they need a newer kernel.
The ARM XOs could actually as of Fedora 26 run with a completely open
userspace with the entaviv kernel if someone does the work for those
devices to boot on a current kernel. In theory the XO 1.75 would just
need a devicetree plus driver upstreaming. The 1.5 might work OOTB but
there are some drivers that were never upstreamed.
Peter

Post by Tony Anderson
Tony

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1. Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels (Samuel Greenfeld)
2. Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels (Peter Robinson)
3. Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
(Arne Babenhauserheide)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 23:28:14 -0400
Subject: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.
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SJG
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:14:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

It has been a few years (Fedora 18) since the original XO Laptop series has
had any sort of major Operating System update.
In order to support newer versions of Systemd, features found in newer
versions of the Linux kernel are required. And from limited exploratory
work done years ago, the XO-1 mesh networking & XO-1.5 Camera drivers may
need fixing even though they are in upstream kernels.
Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO
laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so they
can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that all
public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially dead
at this point?
I presume hardware can be made available provided someone has the interest.

I would love to see someone get it all upstream so we could just
support them in vanilla Fedora. I can send HW but unfortunately I
don't have much time (or ability) to get these bits upstream.
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:45:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Porting XO laptops to newer Linux kernels
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Are there any low-level kernel developers out there interested in porting
XO laptops (both x86 & ARM) to a Linux 4.x kernel or a later 3.x kernel so
they can be used with newer Linux distributions? Or should we presume that
all public XO laptop development (apart from minor patching) is officially
dead at this point?

I am still running an XO-1 with Gentoo (the gentooxo website sadly died,
but I still use what it provided), but I did not get the newer kernels
to run, so I’m currently missing out on many features (including sound).
I’d be willing to try again if I could prod someones brain when I hit
roadblocks. I’m not experienced in low-level kernel development, but
depending on the problems, perspiration might be able to supplant some
missing experience :-)
Best wishes,
Arne

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